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by [[Mercury]]<BR>B<R>
==Bardic Spells and Skills Explanation==
==Bardic Spells and Skills Explanation==
Okay, so bardic spells and skills can be a bit tricky.  This might help answer some questions regarding them.
Okay, so bardic spells and skills can be a bit tricky.  This might help answer some questions regarding them.<BR>
When talking about bards and spells, it gets confusing because you have spells that are permanently learned, spells that are memoed off scores, spells that are memoed off scrolls, and spells that you just know naturally.
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When talking about bards and spells, it gets confusing because you have spells that are permanently learned, spells that are memoed off scores, spells that are memoed off scrolls, and spells that you just know naturally.<BR>
In this explanation, all spells memoed off scores but not permanently learned will be referred to as charges.  For example, I will mention casting charges and casting spells differently.  All spells memoed off scrolls will be referred to as memoes.  Thus you can cast a charge (memoed off a score), cast a memo (memoed off a scroll), or cast a spell (spell permanently learned).
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In this explanation, all spells memoed off scores but not permanently learned will be referred to as charges.  For example, I will mention casting charges and casting spells differently.  All spells memoed off scrolls will be referred to as memoes.  Thus you can cast a charge (memoed off a score), cast a memo (memoed off a scroll), or cast a spell (spell permanently learned).<BR>
When a bard starts off with a spell, say Soul Rift, he starts by either memoing scores or low-level scrolls.  That spell is known at level 1 (casting a charge will cast a level 1 Soul Rift).  That bard then needs to cast charges and memoes of Soul Rift to increase the spell level.  The more times he casts charges of Soul Rift, the higher the spell level becomes.  While the exact ratio is unknown, it seems that roughly 3 cast charges of a spell boosts the spell level by 1.  Casting a memo of Soul Rift may boost it one or two levels, but that exact ratio is undetermined.
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When a bard starts off with a spell, say Soul Rift, he starts by either memoing scores or low-level scrolls.  That spell is known at level 1 (casting a charge will cast a level 1 Soul Rift).  That bard then needs to cast charges and memoes of Soul Rift to increase the spell level.  The more times he casts charges of Soul Rift, the higher the spell level becomes.  While the exact ratio is unknown, it seems that roughly 3 cast charges of a spell boosts the spell level by 1.  Casting a memo of Soul Rift may boost it one or two levels, but that exact ratio is undetermined.<BR>
Thus, to get a spell such as Soul Rift to maximum charge casting level, a bard needs to cast it approximately 93 times.
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However, the maximum level a bard can cast a spell at has a direct correlation to the level at which it can be learned by the original magic user class.  The maximum level for the bard’s spell charges is level 32 minus the lowest level at which the spell can be learned by another magic class.  This means that a bard can get to the point where he is casting charges of Soul Rift at level 31 (a Shaman gets Soul Rift available at level 1, and 32 - 1 = 31).
Thus, to get a spell such as Soul Rift to maximum charge casting level, a bard needs to cast it approximately 93 times.<BR>
 
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Now, when a bard casts a memo (spells memoed off scrolls), they are cast AT his current spell charge level on the spell, and NOT at the level of the scroll he memoed it.  Thus, if somehow you memoed a level 30 rift scroll and only had your Soul Rift charges at level 1, then when you cast that memo, it would be a level 1 Soul Rift.
However, the maximum level a bard can cast a spell at has a direct correlation to the level at which it can be learned by the original magic user class.  The maximum level for the bard’s spell charges is level 32 minus the lowest level at which the spell can be learned by another magic class.  This means that a bard can get to the point where he is casting charges of Soul Rift at level 31 (a Shaman gets Soul Rift available at level 1, and 32 - 1 = 31).<BR>
 
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Permanently learning a spell off a scroll is possible and advisable when doable.  This is done my maxing out the natural charge level of the spell, casting all the charges, memoing the spell off a scroll, then permanently learning it.  This is advisable for any bigger-level spells.  For example, if one is to permanently learn Improved Invis, one can only get the bardic charges up to level 13 (32 minus 19 – the level when mages get Improved Invis).  However, one can sometimes find a level 30 Improved Invis Scroll.  When learned this way, one gets the “Bard Invis” which is crazy good.
Now, when a bard casts a memo (spells memoed off scrolls), they are cast AT his current spell charge level on the spell, and NOT at the level of the scroll he memoed it.  Thus, if somehow you memoed a level 30 rift scroll and only had your Soul Rift charges at level 1, then when you cast that memo, it would be a level 1 Soul Rift.<BR>
 
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Expertise is another thing that effects a bard’s spells.  A bard’s expertise refers to how well he knows a spell that he cast cast charges or memoes or spells of.  Normally, non-bards can only get a spell to the expertise level of “superb”.  Bards can get their expertise to “expert”.  This is done by maxing out the spell level of the charges (such as getting Soul Rift to level 31), then casting another 12-20 charges or memoes of the spell.  Before the spell level is maxed out, a bard’s expertise on the spell fluctuates wildly, but once the spell level is maxed out, the expertise gets higher and higher until it hits expert.  This is one way of knowing if a spell level has hit the maximum.
Permanently learning a spell off a scroll is possible and advisable when doable.  This is done my maxing out the natural charge level of the spell, casting all the charges, memoing the spell off a scroll, then permanently learning it.  This is advisable for any bigger-level spells.  For example, if one is to permanently learn Improved Invis, one can only get the bardic charges up to level 13 (32 minus 19 – the level when mages get Improved Invis).  However, one can sometimes find a level 30 Improved Invis Scroll.  When learned this way, one gets the “Bard Invis” which is crazy good.<BR>
 
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Yet another correlation is between spell charges and mana.  It burns mana each time a bard memoes a score or scroll.  The amount of mana burned is a direct proportion to the level the bard knows the spell at.  This measurement applied to spell scores only is approximately 18+(6x spell level known).  So, if a bard knows Soul Rift at 31, he will burn off 204 (18 + (6 x 31)) mana to memo a Soul Rift score.  The number of charges on the score have no influence on this.  It should be noted that spell scores normally have 2-4 charges of a single spell on them.
Expertise is another thing that effects a bard’s spells.  A bard’s expertise refers to how well he knows a spell that he cast cast charges or memoes or spells of.  Normally, non-bards can only get a spell to the expertise level of “superb”.  Bards can get their expertise to “expert”.  This is done by maxing out the spell level of the charges (such as getting Soul Rift to level 31), then casting another 12-20 charges or memoes of the spell.  Before the spell level is maxed out, a bard’s expertise on the spell fluctuates wildly, but once the spell level is maxed out, the expertise gets higher and higher until it hits expert.  This is one way of knowing if a spell level has hit the maximum.<BR>
 
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Skill scores are different.  They seem to do the same thing in regards to expertise level and mana burning, but levels cannot be determined.  When you permanently learn a skill, it must be learned off a skill score.  There are no scrolls for skills.  It is recommended that any skill permanently learned should be leveled to the maximum with just charges.  This can be determined by getting two scores of the desired skill, memoing one, burning the charges, memoing the second score of the same skill, and comparing the mana burn.  If the skill is burning the same mana and the expertise is maintained at expert, then it should be the maximum level possible for the skill.
Yet another correlation is between spell charges and mana.  It burns mana each time a bard memoes a score or scroll.  The amount of mana burned is a direct proportion to the level the bard knows the spell at.  This measurement applied to spell scores only is approximately 18+(6x spell level known).  So, if a bard knows Soul Rift at 31, he will burn off 204 (18 + (6 x 31)) mana to memo a Soul Rift score.  The number of charges on the score have no influence on this.  It should be noted that spell scores normally have 2-4 charges of a single spell on them.<BR>
 
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It is important to know that casting all the charges of a specific spell does not delete the progress made on the levels of that spell.  If a bard casts all the charges of Soul Rift until it isn’t showing up on his memo list, and then memoes a Soul Rift score, it will come back at the same level it was before.  However, it WILL wipe all the progress made if the scores are memoed over a permanently learned spell.
Skill scores are different.  They seem to do the same thing in regards to expertise level and mana burning, but levels cannot be determined.  When you permanently learn a skill, it must be learned off a skill score.  There are no scrolls for skills.  It is recommended that any skill permanently learned should be leveled to the maximum with just charges.  This can be determined by getting two scores of the desired skill, memoing one, burning the charges, memoing the second score of the same skill, and comparing the mana burn.  If the skill is burning the same mana and the expertise is maintained at expert, then it should be the maximum level possible for the skill.<BR>
 
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Very little information is needed regarding skills and spells that are naturally known (info, info3, refresh) besides the fact that these can no longer be wiped using Amnesic Lyricals.
It is important to know that casting all the charges of a specific spell does not delete the progress made on the levels of that spell.  If a bard casts all the charges of Soul Rift until it isn’t showing up on his memo list, and then memoes a Soul Rift score, it will come back at the same level it was before.  However, it WILL wipe all the progress made if the scores are memoed over a permanently learned spell.<BR>
 
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As a side note, memoing a score of a spell you already have permanently learned burns no mana at all.
Very little information is needed regarding skills and spells that are naturally known (info, info3, refresh) besides the fact that these can no longer be wiped using Amnesic Lyricals.<BR>
 
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As a final note, this all is just what is testable for bardic spells.  Bards get an additional bump on spells beyond what is testable.  This happens when the Efficacious Lyrical is studied.  A great example of this is the Make Bag spell – an eff 50 shaman casting this spell makes a bag that can carry 32kgs, but an eff 50 bard casting this can make a bag that carries 36 – 37 kgs.
As a side note, memoing a score of a spell you already have permanently learned burns no mana at all.<BR>
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As a final note, this all is just what is testable for bardic spells.  Bards get an additional bump on spells beyond what is testable.  This happens when the Efficacious Lyrical is studied.  A great example of this is the Make Bag spell – an eff 50 shaman casting this spell makes a bag that can carry 32kgs, but an eff 50 bard casting this can make a bag that carries 36 – 37 kgs.<BR>


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Revision as of 18:19, 16 April 2018

by Mercury
B<R>

Bardic Spells and Skills Explanation

Okay, so bardic spells and skills can be a bit tricky. This might help answer some questions regarding them.

When talking about bards and spells, it gets confusing because you have spells that are permanently learned, spells that are memoed off scores, spells that are memoed off scrolls, and spells that you just know naturally.

In this explanation, all spells memoed off scores but not permanently learned will be referred to as charges. For example, I will mention casting charges and casting spells differently. All spells memoed off scrolls will be referred to as memoes. Thus you can cast a charge (memoed off a score), cast a memo (memoed off a scroll), or cast a spell (spell permanently learned).

When a bard starts off with a spell, say Soul Rift, he starts by either memoing scores or low-level scrolls. That spell is known at level 1 (casting a charge will cast a level 1 Soul Rift). That bard then needs to cast charges and memoes of Soul Rift to increase the spell level. The more times he casts charges of Soul Rift, the higher the spell level becomes. While the exact ratio is unknown, it seems that roughly 3 cast charges of a spell boosts the spell level by 1. Casting a memo of Soul Rift may boost it one or two levels, but that exact ratio is undetermined.

Thus, to get a spell such as Soul Rift to maximum charge casting level, a bard needs to cast it approximately 93 times.

However, the maximum level a bard can cast a spell at has a direct correlation to the level at which it can be learned by the original magic user class. The maximum level for the bard’s spell charges is level 32 minus the lowest level at which the spell can be learned by another magic class. This means that a bard can get to the point where he is casting charges of Soul Rift at level 31 (a Shaman gets Soul Rift available at level 1, and 32 - 1 = 31).

Now, when a bard casts a memo (spells memoed off scrolls), they are cast AT his current spell charge level on the spell, and NOT at the level of the scroll he memoed it. Thus, if somehow you memoed a level 30 rift scroll and only had your Soul Rift charges at level 1, then when you cast that memo, it would be a level 1 Soul Rift.

Permanently learning a spell off a scroll is possible and advisable when doable. This is done my maxing out the natural charge level of the spell, casting all the charges, memoing the spell off a scroll, then permanently learning it. This is advisable for any bigger-level spells. For example, if one is to permanently learn Improved Invis, one can only get the bardic charges up to level 13 (32 minus 19 – the level when mages get Improved Invis). However, one can sometimes find a level 30 Improved Invis Scroll. When learned this way, one gets the “Bard Invis” which is crazy good.

Expertise is another thing that effects a bard’s spells. A bard’s expertise refers to how well he knows a spell that he cast cast charges or memoes or spells of. Normally, non-bards can only get a spell to the expertise level of “superb”. Bards can get their expertise to “expert”. This is done by maxing out the spell level of the charges (such as getting Soul Rift to level 31), then casting another 12-20 charges or memoes of the spell. Before the spell level is maxed out, a bard’s expertise on the spell fluctuates wildly, but once the spell level is maxed out, the expertise gets higher and higher until it hits expert. This is one way of knowing if a spell level has hit the maximum.

Yet another correlation is between spell charges and mana. It burns mana each time a bard memoes a score or scroll. The amount of mana burned is a direct proportion to the level the bard knows the spell at. This measurement applied to spell scores only is approximately 18+(6x spell level known). So, if a bard knows Soul Rift at 31, he will burn off 204 (18 + (6 x 31)) mana to memo a Soul Rift score. The number of charges on the score have no influence on this. It should be noted that spell scores normally have 2-4 charges of a single spell on them.

Skill scores are different. They seem to do the same thing in regards to expertise level and mana burning, but levels cannot be determined. When you permanently learn a skill, it must be learned off a skill score. There are no scrolls for skills. It is recommended that any skill permanently learned should be leveled to the maximum with just charges. This can be determined by getting two scores of the desired skill, memoing one, burning the charges, memoing the second score of the same skill, and comparing the mana burn. If the skill is burning the same mana and the expertise is maintained at expert, then it should be the maximum level possible for the skill.

It is important to know that casting all the charges of a specific spell does not delete the progress made on the levels of that spell. If a bard casts all the charges of Soul Rift until it isn’t showing up on his memo list, and then memoes a Soul Rift score, it will come back at the same level it was before. However, it WILL wipe all the progress made if the scores are memoed over a permanently learned spell.

Very little information is needed regarding skills and spells that are naturally known (info, info3, refresh) besides the fact that these can no longer be wiped using Amnesic Lyricals.

As a side note, memoing a score of a spell you already have permanently learned burns no mana at all.

As a final note, this all is just what is testable for bardic spells. Bards get an additional bump on spells beyond what is testable. This happens when the Efficacious Lyrical is studied. A great example of this is the Make Bag spell – an eff 50 shaman casting this spell makes a bag that can carry 32kgs, but an eff 50 bard casting this can make a bag that carries 36 – 37 kgs.